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	<title>Comments on: The Trinity: The Unity and Oneness of God</title>
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		<title>By: Paulo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Portuguese: Translate please.

  No principio era o Verbo, e o Verbo estava com Deus, e o Verbo era Deus. 
  Deus aqui é o Pai, certo?
  No principio era o Verbo, e o Verbo estava com o Pai, e o VERBO ERA O PAI!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Portuguese: Translate please.</p>
<p>  No principio era o Verbo, e o Verbo estava com Deus, e o Verbo era Deus.<br />
  Deus aqui é o Pai, certo?<br />
  No principio era o Verbo, e o Verbo estava com o Pai, e o VERBO ERA O PAI!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
		<link>http://www.ministrymaker.com/trinity-the-unity-and-oneness-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-2545</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trinity!!!  i think if we read John gospel carefully we will see the word &quot;one &quot; mentioned so many time,often followed by the phrase &quot;He in me and I in Him&quot; (paraphrased a little there).

I think the term trinity is a little confusing and perhaps taken out of context slightly. My take is that God is one,absolutely, however there, are perhaps many facets to this being we call God. There is the conundrum of how Christ could be God and man at the same time.

Theres also another rather hard to understand statement that we are all one with God.even as Christ is one.Now i know Jesus prayed that we &quot;may &quot; be one even as He was one, im just assuming that Hes had that prayer answered...after all, Hes God isnt He.

So how can we be 6.6 billion seemingly indvidual spirits and yet be ONE SPIRIT, and one with the Father?

Now thats a mystery for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trinity!!!  i think if we read John gospel carefully we will see the word &#8220;one &#8221; mentioned so many time,often followed by the phrase &#8220;He in me and I in Him&#8221; (paraphrased a little there).</p>
<p>I think the term trinity is a little confusing and perhaps taken out of context slightly. My take is that God is one,absolutely, however there, are perhaps many facets to this being we call God. There is the conundrum of how Christ could be God and man at the same time.</p>
<p>Theres also another rather hard to understand statement that we are all one with God.even as Christ is one.Now i know Jesus prayed that we &#8220;may &#8221; be one even as He was one, im just assuming that Hes had that prayer answered&#8230;after all, Hes God isnt He.</p>
<p>So how can we be 6.6 billion seemingly indvidual spirits and yet be ONE SPIRIT, and one with the Father?</p>
<p>Now thats a mystery for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Truthseeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi RobertH,

I don&#039;t get your argument regarding the Word becoming flesh. God can speak anything into existence... So what point are you trying to make?

Also, the Bible does not show the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as three separate persons. The Bible says &quot;The LORD our God, the LORD is one!&quot; but it never ever says He&#039;s three in one or one yet three or any variation thereof. Show me the Scripture that says otherwise and I&#039;ll then say what &quot;this means&quot;.

Please have a deep read of 2 Corinthians 3:12-4:6 and 1 John 3:1-8 with a teachable spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi RobertH,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get your argument regarding the Word becoming flesh. God can speak anything into existence&#8230; So what point are you trying to make?</p>
<p>Also, the Bible does not show the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as three separate persons. The Bible says &#8220;The LORD our God, the LORD is one!&#8221; but it never ever says He&#8217;s three in one or one yet three or any variation thereof. Show me the Scripture that says otherwise and I&#8217;ll then say what &#8220;this means&#8221;.</p>
<p>Please have a deep read of 2 Corinthians 3:12-4:6 and 1 John 3:1-8 with a teachable spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Linton</title>
		<link>http://www.ministrymaker.com/trinity-the-unity-and-oneness-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1991</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cassidy - yes, as I said in the beginning teaching, &quot;The term trinity is not mentioned in the bible. It was first used in the second century to describe the Godhead, which is a biblical term (Colossians 2:9 and Romans 1:20). So “trinity” is merely another word to describe the Godhead.&quot; I actually prefer using the term Godhead, since it is used in scripture. Read the above scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cassidy &#8211; yes, as I said in the beginning teaching, &#8220;The term trinity is not mentioned in the bible. It was first used in the second century to describe the Godhead, which is a biblical term (Colossians 2:9 and Romans 1:20). So “trinity” is merely another word to describe the Godhead.&#8221; I actually prefer using the term Godhead, since it is used in scripture. Read the above scripture.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassidy</title>
		<link>http://www.ministrymaker.com/trinity-the-unity-and-oneness-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1989</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassidy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces[a] of this world rather than on Christ. Colossians 2:8

The doctrine of the trinity is human tradition born out of a blend of Greek philosophy and uninspired church leadership who were under pressure from Constantine to bring unity to his state controlled church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces[a] of this world rather than on Christ. Colossians 2:8</p>
<p>The doctrine of the trinity is human tradition born out of a blend of Greek philosophy and uninspired church leadership who were under pressure from Constantine to bring unity to his state controlled church.</p>
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		<title>By: RobertH</title>
		<link>http://www.ministrymaker.com/trinity-the-unity-and-oneness-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1973</link>
		<dc:creator>RobertH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Truthseeker,

John 1:1 &amp; John 1:14 indeed say that Jesus is God and that the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us. Jesus is the Word made flesh. The first 18 verses make this rather clear. It doesn&#039;t matter if we do not know how the Word became flesh, but that is what the Bible clearly says. I mean, you don&#039;t really even know how God does a lot of what He does, do you? So to say that because you don&#039;t know how the Word can become flesh doesn&#039;t mean it cannot be done! 

If the Biblical data shows that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate persons, that each are God, and that there is only one God, what do you say this means?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Truthseeker,</p>
<p>John 1:1 &amp; John 1:14 indeed say that Jesus is God and that the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us. Jesus is the Word made flesh. The first 18 verses make this rather clear. It doesn&#8217;t matter if we do not know how the Word became flesh, but that is what the Bible clearly says. I mean, you don&#8217;t really even know how God does a lot of what He does, do you? So to say that because you don&#8217;t know how the Word can become flesh doesn&#8217;t mean it cannot be done! </p>
<p>If the Biblical data shows that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate persons, that each are God, and that there is only one God, what do you say this means?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Linton</title>
		<link>http://www.ministrymaker.com/trinity-the-unity-and-oneness-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1957</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truthseeker - As I said before, I am not going to have an endless debate with you.The point is, Jesus is God incarnate and there&#039;s no salvation apart form Him (Acts 4:12). I&#039;m ending this now. If you want to talk further, you can reach me through our &quot;contact us&quot; or leave your email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthseeker &#8211; As I said before, I am not going to have an endless debate with you.The point is, Jesus is God incarnate and there&#8217;s no salvation apart form Him (Acts 4:12). I&#8217;m ending this now. If you want to talk further, you can reach me through our &#8220;contact us&#8221; or leave your email.</p>
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		<title>By: Truthseeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 02:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, there&#039;s a problem when you see God as three persons with &quot;one mind and purpose&quot;. How do you explain Luke 22:42 when Jesus is clearly stating that His will is different to that of the Father? Did God suddenly have two wills?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, there&#8217;s a problem when you see God as three persons with &#8220;one mind and purpose&#8221;. How do you explain Luke 22:42 when Jesus is clearly stating that His will is different to that of the Father? Did God suddenly have two wills?</p>
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		<title>By: Truthseeker</title>
		<link>http://www.ministrymaker.com/trinity-the-unity-and-oneness-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1955</link>
		<dc:creator>Truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 02:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You quote me out of context. I believe you would take me wrong that I do not in fact believe in three &quot;persons&quot;, and neither do I believe that God is limited to the three roles/titles(/&quot;persons&quot;) as you have referred. Nor do I refer to Jesus as &quot;God the Son&quot;, because the Bible never says that. Don&#039;t really get the logical of applying trinity to a Biblical term but okay.

More erroneous teaching comes from your follow up article. John 1:1 and John 1:14 does not indicate any plurality whatsoever - how can a thought/plan/promise be a &quot;person&quot;. Also, I don&#039;t understand the supposed logic behind that the Holy Spirit must be a person. It is NOT taught as the third person of the Trinity/Godhead in the Bible. If it was, then how can Jesus have the fullness of the Godhead bodily? The Trinity states that the three are One, but that they are distinct, ie the Holy Spirit is NOT the Son, and so forth.

You ask how can the Holy Spirit have intellect, be able to grieve, speak etc if it&#039;s not a &quot;person&quot;... Well, it&#039;s easy - it&#039;s because the Holy Spirit IS God! I don&#039;t think you&#039;d read Genesis 1:1 and think that because God can simply speak the heavens and earth into existence that surely He must be a &quot;person&quot;!!! No, of course not. God can do that because He is God. Full stop. There is absolutely no need to start making distinct persons, because it&#039;s extra-Biblical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You quote me out of context. I believe you would take me wrong that I do not in fact believe in three &#8220;persons&#8221;, and neither do I believe that God is limited to the three roles/titles(/&#8221;persons&#8221;) as you have referred. Nor do I refer to Jesus as &#8220;God the Son&#8221;, because the Bible never says that. Don&#8217;t really get the logical of applying trinity to a Biblical term but okay.</p>
<p>More erroneous teaching comes from your follow up article. John 1:1 and John 1:14 does not indicate any plurality whatsoever &#8211; how can a thought/plan/promise be a &#8220;person&#8221;. Also, I don&#8217;t understand the supposed logic behind that the Holy Spirit must be a person. It is NOT taught as the third person of the Trinity/Godhead in the Bible. If it was, then how can Jesus have the fullness of the Godhead bodily? The Trinity states that the three are One, but that they are distinct, ie the Holy Spirit is NOT the Son, and so forth.</p>
<p>You ask how can the Holy Spirit have intellect, be able to grieve, speak etc if it&#8217;s not a &#8220;person&#8221;&#8230; Well, it&#8217;s easy &#8211; it&#8217;s because the Holy Spirit IS God! I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d read Genesis 1:1 and think that because God can simply speak the heavens and earth into existence that surely He must be a &#8220;person&#8221;!!! No, of course not. God can do that because He is God. Full stop. There is absolutely no need to start making distinct persons, because it&#8217;s extra-Biblical.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Linton</title>
		<link>http://www.ministrymaker.com/trinity-the-unity-and-oneness-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1954</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 22:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truthseeker - you said, &quot;I believe in the trinity per-say (The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are most assuredly all God).&quot; Then, there is no problem, because I believe that also. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God, as you see from my follow up article on the trinity - http://www.ministrymaker.com/trinity-one-god-three-persons. I also said at the onset of this teaching, &quot;The term trinity is not mentioned in the bible. It was first used in the second century to describe the Godhead, which is a biblical term&quot; (Colossians 2:9 and Romans 1:20). Godhead is a Biblical term taught in scripture. Thank you for confirming we agree (1 Corinthians 1:10).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthseeker &#8211; you said, &#8220;I believe in the trinity per-say (The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are most assuredly all God).&#8221; Then, there is no problem, because I believe that also. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God, as you see from my follow up article on the trinity &#8211; <a href="http://www.ministrymaker.com/trinity-one-god-three-persons" rel="nofollow">http://www.ministrymaker.com/trinity-one-god-three-persons</a>. I also said at the onset of this teaching, &#8220;The term trinity is not mentioned in the bible. It was first used in the second century to describe the Godhead, which is a biblical term&#8221; (Colossians 2:9 and Romans 1:20). Godhead is a Biblical term taught in scripture. Thank you for confirming we agree (1 Corinthians 1:10).</p>
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